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Who`s to say what is RIGHT and what is WRONG?
I wrote this as a response to what Vesa had written on his blog but after giving it a little more thought I wondered if any of you feel the same about the music we create and decided to post up a blog to find out..<br />
<div class="br-txt">I think music should sound how the CREATOR of it intended it to sound...If you`ve achieved that then you`ve achieved what you set out to do..It does`nt really matter if the listeners hear it your way or not, as long as you know you`ve achieved what you set out to do and that YOU know it sounds the way it was intended to sound, then all`s well..
I don`t think anyone should change the music they create because a few people who listen feel it should be different..I don`t think any of us would ask a painter to change a part of the picture he`d just painted because we don`t like the colour he`s used for the sky etc....Those artists/musicians wearing "L" plates are excluded of course....:-)They need the guidance of those further on down the road..:-)<br /><br />Just my few pennies worth..:-)<br /><br />Peace n love Mags </div>
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Peace n love to all who commented..
Mags xx
LOL, yea rap. mine are for sale too!!!! lmao!!!!!
mushrooms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
peace:
lol.. that's it digger.. ain't looking for suggestions.. this is an art gallery.. i'm just showing my works.. they're for sale too.. lol.. cheers..
Hi Stephen...I understand what your're saying but for ME PERSONALLY that would be a little like bringing in an interior designer to arrange my house the way they think it should be...I always prefer to arrange AND design my own home..Faults and all..and there are many believe me
AND Hi "I come prepared"..
I so loved what you wrote...BUT that,s just me...heheeeee
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Peace n love
Great topic! I always think back to the Sherlock Holmes story of "The Hound of the Baskervilles" where Holmes described the painter Lyons as possessing a "genious of vision, but a mediocre talent with which to express it". I have a vision or concept of how I want I want a song to sound, but the actual performance, recording, mixing, etc. falls short of that vision because of my limitations. Each song may be "done" in terms that I'm not doing anymore to it, but it's not finished in terms of my level of satisfaction. I have never done a song, either performing or recording, where I felt that I could do no better. I don't ever imagine I will reach that point! I consider each "finished" song just a step along the way of an incredible journey. Criticism is like a guide along the path, some of it good and some of it bad, and sometimes it may help me see something I wasn't able to see myself. Most of the time it's like another piece of gear that I throw in the bag to use a just the right moment. I have to say that I have found the critiques here to be very positive and constructive. I have learned much as a result. Thanks
Stephan
If you upload music,opinions will come.
Nigel.
Rob, you spent your penny well...
I bow to you for what you`ve said here...
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I only have a pennie.....so here it is.....I HOPE I am NOT taken wrong or egotistical on this.....
I thought, for the most part, the "Indie" thing was to....DO AWAY with the producer......do YOUR songs, the way YOU want to do them. Do your own arrangements, your own lyrics, your own choice of instrumentation.....solo where and when you want......and BAM!!! It's your song. You put it out the way you like it to be heard, liked or disliked......no matter. OF COURSE, no one wants to be BASHED,it's pointless and destructive. There is Constructive criticism and Destructive criticism........and as stated by others, they're really just opinions........AND!!! "IMHO" I'm no one to pass weighted judgements, negative or positive, in any technical way......heck!!!.....I'm not musically trained and I'm partially deaf....BUT!!! I SURE DO KNOW WHAT I LIKE!!!! and feel TOTALLY QUALIFIED to PASS KUDOS for a JOB WELL DONE
ed.. now that's a point I totally agree with.. if someone posts a song and asks for general or specific feedback then it's clear.. and i think we all take that step you talked about.. we post up songs in full knowledge that almost anything could be said about our efforts.. we do take the risk.. we therefore are open to other opinions.. we want others feedback.. but still we decide.. i've changed a few songs and mixes thanks to feedback that i thought was right on.. thanks friends!
One last point, effects are sometimes things I need opinions on, theres those days when I'm experimenting with tons of reverb or echos on things to find new sounds and combinations. After a day of that, I can sometimes get deaf to the amount of effects on a certain track, you need to get your perspective back. Sometimes an honest bystander can rein you back in.
Hey Paul..
This is an extract from you.."I think you have to be able to accept criticism, but then evaluate it and decide whether it is valid to you" yep, totally agree and Joey your point about Mozart certainly is a bit more food for thought..
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I'm not sure we'll ever know whether Mozart was effected by other opinions or not, but I take your point Joe. As for growing as a musician, I think chord books are just someones opinion on what sounds good together, as well as different tunings on guitar that were experimented with by legendary players, also just an opinion on what sounds different. When I started on piano, I just put my fingers on keys that were easy, same with guitar, at first I tuned the guitar to suit where my fingers were comfortable playing. Great for a while and sounded good to me, but soon found it sufficating and stagnation set in. maybe getting off topic a bit here..lol
"1 your not growing as a musician and 2 maybe you shouldn't put it out there in the 1st place"
Ed my friend.. i gotta disagree with those last 2 points.. mozart never listened to the emperor's complaint "too many notes".. did he stop growing as a musician? quite the contrary IMHO.. maybe mozart shouldn't have put his music out there? then we'd all have missed masterpieces..
peace man..
Good topic!! I agree with Wavephonic (and most other posts here!) to a point - yes, you have to be willing to listen to others opinions, but always remember they are just that - opinions! It doesn't mean they're right (or wrong) or that you have to change something just because someone else says so
But then, this is just my opinion
--Paul
Hi Wavephonic,
Heehe..
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Peace n love
The most fun for me is getting that initial reaction to something I've created. Its all well and good to think what you want if you keep your song to yourself, but the minute you put it out there, your asking for an independant response. Its great when someone says how it moved them, thats the beauty of music, you make contact with somebody you've never met. At the same time, they may say this small change or that would've made me connect even more, thats legitimate and should be taken under consideration, even if its for your next tune. If your not willing to hear everyones opinion, 1 your not growing as a musician and 2 maybe you shouldn't put it out there in the 1st place.
Idiom...
Nice line...
" We have the right to make what we want and call it what we want which makes us the most powerful force in music."
If a novelist of horror writes a romance, if a Metal artist produces a country track, if the beat is soft or doesn't pan..these are all targets of the masses, not of the individual. A book is never finished and music is never complete. The problem is people see a genre and think they have they have an idea of how it should sound because of mainstream radio and albums, but thats what makes us different. Independant.
We don't follow the linear rules that Trance should have the four beat, that ambient should be drones, that rock should comprise entirely of power chords and screeching guitars. That country has to be produced in Nashville, or have the right sounds to be country (look at Gary Allan). We have the right to make what we want and call it what we want which makes us the most powerful force in music.
Listeners will see different things in our sound other than what we envisioned, that will happen till the clouds grow roots.
It's music, it's better than any language. Why? Because it isn't racist, doesn't start wars, doesn't bomb, maime or kill. Listen, hear what your MIND needs to hear, feel what your SOUL needs to feel. And above all...Dream.
IDIOM
(sorry for rolling off track, I do get carried away at times)
This is also a good point from you Joey,
"not gonna change it cause somebody doesn't like it.. there's probably someone who does like it.. lol.. and if we start that then it would be "hey can you change that Gb in the solo please? it's too dissonant!".. lol.. we can't let others do our songs for us"..
There`s so much room for discussion where this topic concerned and everyone of us has valid points..
thinking about the pro level.. no one exempt from being told to cut this.. change that.. EXACTLY!! that's why we are all indies doing our own music!.. and that's why collabs here work so well.. no one is under contract.. we accept what our partners contribute.. it's cooperative..
my feeling is this.. if you are paying me.. you decide.. if your not.. I decide.. lol..
It is very difficult that is for sure. Someone told me a long time ago that the mind only works when it is open. So I try and keep an open mind about suggestions being made.
I think I missed the Vesa-Hooker Green tune/blog. If they are happy with it, that is all that matters!
Good point here Dazed..I quote
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If you think about the pro level, there is not one of them that has not been told to cut this or cut that, change this or change that when it comes to a song. So ego in this industry should really be checked at the door because everyone experiences the same critiques at all levels. You just have to decide which are good suggestions and which are bad suggestions. Even Paul McCartney was told to change "Hey Jules" to "Hey Jude" so no one is exempt hehe."
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Hummmmn, Then maybe music can`t really be compared so closely to painting...I learned a lot from other people who helped me along the way..
Although you do say that "it shows the difference between someone who is into music and someone who is into themselves" I started this blog with the answer I made to Vesa`s blog..Where he`s saying more or less that what he and Hooker have created with the song they`ve posted is what they themselves wanted..I would say that, that is`nt being into themselves, just into the music that they`ve created...It`s a really fine line I guess, to be looked at from both sides..
And Wil...
Ain`t life fun..
peace n love Mags
the goal is to create a song/mix that doesn't need changing.. everytime.. lol..
Good topic!
When it comes to this area, it is always interesting. But to me it shows the difference between someone who is into music and someone who is into themselves. When it comes to my music, I wish I could get it to sound the way I want it to sound. I am not a sound engineer and not really a "musician" for that matter.
If you think about the pro level, there is not one of them that has not been told to cut this or cut that, change this or change that when it comes to a song. So ego in this industry should really be checked at the door because everyone experiences the same critiques at all levels. You just have to decide which are good suggestions and which are bad suggestions. Even Paul McCartney was told to change "Hey Jules" to "Hey Jude" so no one is exempt hehe.
When it comes to Mixposure though, not all of us are pros and can mix with the best of them. So when I post a song, "how the creator intended it to sound" is not really what you are going to hear if I mixed it lol. I think many people post "the best mix of their ability" at the time. Who has not listened to old songs you mixed years ago and songs you mixed today? Is there a difference? Most likely yes because your skill level has gone up over the years.
I hear many songs on here and do not think I have ever suggested someone should change the arrangement of a song. However people are posting here for critiques, good bad or otherwise. So there are bound to be suggestions on what they think may improve the song. Isn't that the goal to make our music better? It is up to us as the creator to decide if it is worth changing or not.
Just my two cents
Good mornin,
"excuse me if I play too long",sometimes it's hard to stop.
if you listen,you can catch little imperfections in all my music.
start off most songs playin guitar and vocals recording live,and then addin on that,like a painter you have to know when it's done by how it looks(sounds) to you,because it is you.of course there is always the constant anylizing afterwords..
"what the hell am I talking about"..."I don't remember playin that"...
bottom line I just record what I feel and welcome all feedback.
and i do thank you for listening,I don't know what you are going to hear or take away from the experience that I felt..
okay I am babbling now...always nice to have you stop by Margot..
hope you guys have a great day....
Will~~>
first i'd like to ask a question.. how do we know for sure that our music will sound the way it's intended? everyone has different soundcards.. headphones.. monitor or high-fi speakers.. mp3 players.. that's what troubles me.. I'm down to only 2 pairs of phones thanks to our naughty kitty.. the senns have highs and and tons of mid.. the panasonics lots of bass.. lol.. how can i know how others are hearing it? I guess we'd say if it sound ok in both phones that's a good compromise.. but being sure often illudes me..
I think this is a brilliant topic darling girl and i totally agree: IF we are sure it's the way we want it to sound.. then it's finished.. not gonna change it cause somebody doesn't like it.. there's probably someone who does like it.. lol.. and if we start that then it would be "hey can you change that Gb in the solo please? it's too dissonant!".. lol.. we can't let others do our songs for us.. tell us what sounds right to them.. cause then we'd truly all start to sound the same.. just more of the same game.. how tame.. how lame.. lol..
i agree compleatly mags, i belive the fact that almost every artist here sounds diff. is the back bone to this site! take away the inde in independent, and your left with pendent music.{britnet spears, justin timberlake ect.ect.ect.........music you can where on your coller } i aint listening to that crap!
it's all good when some one stops by, listens to a tune or two and says what a cool song. i like that very much! but i don't want to hear some one tell me to redo somthing. the way i see it, if thay aint askin don't be suggestin, like my moma allways said when i was youg,
KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS!!!!!LMAO!!!!!
PEACE
Hiya Digger,
Great post..
Hi and yes Nigel,
heheee, You know Digger, I rarely if ever listen to any music other than our indie stuff. The radio might get a dusting and switched on once or twice a year and yes, I guess I enjoy listening when I do happen to switch it on especially if the music is from way back in my day..:-)but most of the music I hear on the radio is so polished to perfection that it`s become more or less "unreal" for "ME"...I`d much rather listen to a piece of music on an indie site by someone I`ve had the pleasure of meeting virtually, or someone who`s new to it all, someone I know that has put their heart and soul into the piece they`ve posted, warts n all...
I`ve said for years now that "It ain`t about perfection, it`s about soul" I can`t speak for anyone other than myself but that really is how I feel.
Hey Digger, I love what your Moma told ya...
Does "THE BEAT GO ON?............. ehheeee
Peace n love..:-)