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What is a real musician?

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By: Devodale
Posted in: What is a real Musician?

<p>From Wikipedia -</p><p>"A <strong>musician</strong> usually plays a musical instrument, especially (although not necessarily) as a profession. Musicians can be classified by their roles in performing music and writing music. It's also a person who makes music a profession, anyone (professional or not) who's skilled in making music or performing music creatively, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music (especially instrumental music).</p><p>Musicians can be of any music style not limited to classical, orchestral or choral, and musicians can have skills in many different styles outside of their professional experience. Examples of musicians' skills are the orchestration of music, improvisation, conducting, singing, composing, arranging, and/or being an instrumentalist."</p><p>Music is constantly evolving. Styles and genres have come, had their Hayday, and gone. There has been so much music created and recorded over the past century, it really is unfathomable.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Ok, so lets break down the definition here a bit:</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">"A <strong>musician</strong> usually plays a musical instrument, especially (although not necessarily) as a profession. "</span></p><p>We are well into the 21st century here, and the newest (ok, not so new) emerging musical instrument is the computer.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">"Musicians can be classified by their roles in performing music and writing music. It's also a person who makes music a profession, anyone (professional or not) who's skilled in making music or performing music creatively, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music (especially instrumental music)."</span></p><p>By this definition, Live performing Djs and composing Djs<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong> are</strong></span> musicians.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">"Musicians can be of any music style not limited to classical, orchestral or choral, and musicians can have skills in many different styles outside of their professional experience. Examples of musicians' skills are the orchestration of music, improvisation, conducting, singing, composing, arranging, and/or being an instrumentalist."</span></p><p>By this definition, Home studio enthusyists, or&nbsp;ANYONE&nbsp;who:<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">&nbsp;orchestrates</span></strong> loops and samples of music&nbsp;in <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>arrangment</strong></span>, and&nbsp;<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">creates</span></strong> sounds electronically or otherwise for musical<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> composition&nbsp; </span></strong>ARE real musicians.</p><p>I think its high time we all accept this. Traditional musicians that play traditional instruments and sing, have their talent and skillset. As do those who create music by any means necessary have their talent and skillset as well. There is not much difference between one who strums a string or blows on a reed, bangs on something, or presses a trigger button.</p><p>Granted, their are levels of musicianship; varying from beginners to the professional. That is not&nbsp;my point&nbsp;here though. I'm just tired of most all electronic media artists who dont play a keyboard or guitar or a 'traditional' instrument saying they are not "real musicians". &nbsp;</p><p>I will even go as far as saying my spouse Deb, who is most certainly tone deaf, and I forbid to hum around me, is a musician. She invents her own song in her head and it just comes out naturally. If there was only a way she could capture her ideas.......maybe someone will invent the mind link to the computer someday! Can you imagine creating the music exactly as you hear it in your head for all to hear?</p><p>I write this opinion from both sides of the isle. I started as a vocalist in high school, taught myself how to play the piano by ear, (Still can't really read music) and a little guitar too. I was in a couple really good bands when I&nbsp;was younger, ranging from TOP 40 bar bands playing 5 hours every night, to progressive rock bands opening for major names back in the 80s and 90's. After a period stepping away from music altogether, having no instruments to play for almost 8 years, I started learning about computer DAWs and samples and loops. I found I had a talent for creating loops and samples, and after putting them out for the public to have and use, I have found a whole new world of satisfaction! When I hear a composition someone used my loops in, its actually a better feeling to me then creating a whole song of my own. The 'collab' aspect of hearing what someone else creates by the inspiration they get from a little piece of melody or sound I created is mind blowing and tickles me inside to no end.</p><p>So, if you create something that sounds good to you, and hopefully to someone else too.....no matter how you made it.....you are a "Real Musician"</p>

kjohansen
07/08/12 11:55:11PM @kara:
Dale I agree with you 100%! I had a post I was working on earlier then the damn power went out... So here it is. Some people seem to think real musicians do not need any instruments they can simply write out a song sitting at a table with nothing more then a napkin and a pen. That is great if you can do that; however, what is the difference for someone with little music experience who hums their own special tune??? I do not see a difference it does not matter the platform one works on. Creating sound and expressing it to others is the point. It does not have to be good and perfect just honest. A computer does not program itself. It takes a human to program it. I also play traditional instruments such as guitar, piano, bass, alto sax, tenor sax, and a variety of other instruments. I have done live recordings and I have done a lot with one computer, midi and my old school software. I love electronic production and i love traditional production too. To me there is no difference except for the tools being used.
So this brings me to people in the past who said they hated my music (electronic music) and they could do better. Programming is easy anyone can do it... Yes anyone can learn how to run midi. Anyone can play an instrument if they have the desire to do it, but you have to put in the workm time, and effort. Dedication to your craft! So for anyone to tell us we are not real musicians because we do electronic production they are wrong. I have yet to hear anyone do what I do. This does not make me any better or worse then the next musician, programmer, dj, guitarist, songwriter, producer, studio engineer etc. This just means I am me and I would not have it any other way. Each of us has a unique way of creating music same with our choice of platforms to work on. ;)

Mix Radio DJ Corner
07/08/12 07:19:22PM @mix-radio-dj-corner:
if you create music... you are a musician
regardless of what type of device.. program .. algorythym or trash can you bang on. If it comes out sounding like music then it is what it is.

n0mad23
07/08/12 07:08:49PM @n0mad23:
Both my thumbs are up on this Dale. Well said.

Back when I first started an account here, I had a discussion with Pierre about traditional instruments vs. DAWs and the metaphor I came up with was painting and collage. Because collage uses 'found' images, is it really not valid as an art form? Using loops created by others, if handled with sensitivity and care, actually can be more like a collaboration than simply doing solo work. The traces of human production (and uniqueness) are there if you listen closely.

Anyway, wonderfully articulated. Thanks for posting your thoughts on this!

n0mad23
07/08/12 07:08:41PM @n0mad23:
Both my thumbs are up on this Dale. Well said.

Back when I first started an account here, I had a discussion with Pierre about traditional instruments vs. DAWs and the metaphor I came up with was painting and collage. Because collage uses 'found' images, is it really not valid as an art form? Using loops created by others, if handled with sensitivity and care, actually can be more like a collaboration than simply doing solo work. The traces of human production (and uniqueness) are there if you listen closely.

Anyway, wonderfully articulated. Thanks for posting your thoughts on this!

John R. Kennedy
07/15/12 12:28:10AM @john-r-kennedy:
DAW loops and samples are the band that is behind the musician. The musician is the creator of being able to make it all come together, with skill and percission, so that the final results is a piece of music that has been orchestrated properly with all of the pieces fitting together. The end result is a musical creation based on what was in the mind of its creator. Some people have a real band they can use for creating, but the DAW has allowed those with no band to have a band, but the skill then is using all that is at your becken calling and getteing it to the final stage. On a piano roll you still have to arrange everything so that it is all in its proper perspective and many hundreds of hours can be involved. So, as for me, even though I play keyboards and guitar, I have no band except for the $1500.00 I spent on software to help me get to my end results. The music speaks for itself.
Dazed
07/09/12 07:40:46PM @dazed:
I agree with this 99%. The 1% I have issues on are "Live Performing DJ's". Now Take Moby for example. The guy creates Music. I read where Paris Hilton was becoming a "DJ" and while I find the thought completely nauseating, under no circumstances could I call her a musician.
Gene
07/08/12 07:42:21PM @gene-smith:
From thefreedictionary.com:

mu·si·cian (my-zshn)
n.
One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.

From Mirriam Webster:

: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist

I think that musician gets lumped in with a lot of other words (pianist, guitarist, vocalist etc).

As an example; is a commercial radio station DJ (or more accurately his producer) a musician because he pieces together others found music into a comprehensive piece called a set? I would say definitely not!

A quote from a semi-famous guy (vocalist I think), "I am not a musician. I don't go in too deep. If you have the music in your head, and you sing it with your body, then you'll be alright" [Luciano Pavarotti]

I think I would rather be known as an "Artist" and leave it at that ;)

That said do I think that those who use samples and loops in a DAW instead of in a keyboard synth are "Artists" or "Musicians" if you prefer? Hell yes! What is different between someone looping an alto sax sample through a keyboard, through a track on a DAW, or me doing it with a midi pickup on my telecaster? Nothing at all IMHO that desire for and attempt at creativity is what allows the "music in us" to be heard and to me that is what makes us artists.

I think that is one of the sad things these days is that we start to let words and genres define who we are and what we do...

Just ramblin' keep making music my friend!




joe nickerson
07/16/12 12:12:07PM @joe-nickerson:
if someone uses sampled phrases and knows nothing about music they are not a real musician.. they are just good at puzzles.. ex. "wow, I like drum beat no. 27 and bass phrase no. 12 goes good with it.. piano riff no. 39.." etc. etc. now they post it up and say this is my composition (as if they composed and played all the riffs on keyboard or midi-guitar).. if people make a great track because they're musicians but then use a canned alto sax solo and everyone tells them wow great sax solo and they don't admit that they didn't compose it, I'm down on them.. faker! just my 2 cents :-)
vigwig
07/20/12 09:18:56PM @vig-wig:
I don't feel like musician is a black and white issue. It seems to me a one year old has knowledge and a 67 yr old has knowledge but they aren't the same, except one navigates one world and the other navigates a different world.

Maybe I'm content to mix songs rather than play songs. That is one hurdle. I am content to make Vignostric compositions my way because it's all about the sound to me. That is another hurdle. Instrumental songs can be taken higher on the totem pole by adding vocals That's another hurdle. Whether or not someone dares put vocals forth to be married to an instrumental song or you have to do it yourself because the won't/can't is another hurdle. Finding what vocal style works for you when you can't really sing is still another hurdle. Creating a melody and vocal hooks or instrumental hooks to embed your tune in someone's psyche presents another challenge.

And that doesn't even touch on producing and mastering, etc. Making a distinctive (it could e distinctively bad) sound and having people encourage you to make more is the brass ring!
Vic, distinctive, catchy, indefinable, musical, fun(ny).

bri-an
07/16/12 01:58:25PM @bri-an:
what Pro tools did to the musician, is what photoshop did for FaceBook. question is what is a real musician ?...humm gitting deep...HEY joe!! how the F7$##k are ya... :)
these debates have gone on for years huh? 8-10 yrs ago...we talked about this at the original Mix site...
Although amusing then, with the different questions that rolled in...
Everyone is born capable of making music...some do it, and go down in History for doing it well. How one gets to the finish line is there gig, and everyone will do it there own way i suppose...you see, I can't associate the music bizz with a real musician anymore, and making it in the music bizz has proven to me over and over that you do not need to be a real musician to be a "real musician" at all.....i can tell you.....i can hear a real musician play out anytime.

vigwig
07/20/12 09:19:06PM @vig-wig:
I don't feel like musician is a black and white issue. It seems to me a one year old has knowledge and a 67 yr old has knowledge but they aren't the same, except one navigates one world and the other navigates a different world.

Maybe I'm content to mix songs rather than play songs. That is one hurdle. I am content to make Vignostric compositions my way because it's all about the sound to me. That is another hurdle. Instrumental songs can be taken higher on the totem pole by adding vocals That's another hurdle. Whether or not someone dares put vocals forth to be married to an instrumental song or you have to do it yourself because the won't/can't is another hurdle. Finding what vocal style works for you when you can't really sing is still another hurdle. Creating a melody and vocal hooks or instrumental hooks to embed your tune in someone's psyche presents another challenge.

And that doesn't even touch on producing and mastering, etc. Making a distinctive (it could e distinctively bad) sound and having people encourage you to make more is the brass ring!
Vic, distinctive, catchy, indefinable, musical, fun(ny).

KED
07/11/12 10:09:35AM @ked-records:
something else for you to consider folks... When that big ole EMP burst comes from the sun spots ... and it takes out all the electrical devices and our power.. yes even generators will be affected.
Do tell folks... how are you going tp make music then if you were one of those electronic musicians ( i am one.. i play ELECTRIC guitar and my studio is all run on electricity).... HOW AM I GOING OT MAKE MUSIC WITH NO ELECTRICY>>???? i have an accoustic guitar.. i guess im still ok!!

Think about it good people... musician or not.. if you rely on electricty to make your music.. whats going to happen when you have no electricity!!!!!!!!!!! thanks to bri fi for that insight!

yea.. we are all screwed when the big bad EMP hits us!


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